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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.monkeybearreviews.com/2009/07/08/positive-press-for-romance-novels-elitism/comment-page-1/#comment-2306</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2225&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@heidenkind&lt;/a&gt; I have two degrees and I write romance. My thesis was a piece of cake in comparison to finishing a book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-2225" rel="nofollow">@heidenkind</a> I have two degrees and I write romance. My thesis was a piece of cake in comparison to finishing a book.</p>
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		<title>By: Magdalen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magdalen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Kat.  I had no idea.  I go to Lancaster occasionally (quilt shows, mostly) and the sense of the Amish that I (a complete outsider) get is that it&#039;s a deliberately closed community.  Hard to imagine what a romance in that setting would be like.  But you have to love American commerce:  someone saw a niche market and decided to satisfy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Kat.  I had no idea.  I go to Lancaster occasionally (quilt shows, mostly) and the sense of the Amish that I (a complete outsider) get is that it&#8217;s a deliberately closed community.  Hard to imagine what a romance in that setting would be like.  But you have to love American commerce:  someone saw a niche market and decided to satisfy it.</p>
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		<title>By: heidenkind</title>
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		<dc:creator>heidenkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got to agree with Magdalene--getting a degree is way easier than writing a romance novel.  And one has nothing to do with the other, so why even go there in the first place?  Because there&#039;s a stereotype of romance novelists being a dumb version of Joy from My Name&#039;s Earl or what?  Who cares?!

It&#039;s just odd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got to agree with Magdalene&#8211;getting a degree is way easier than writing a romance novel.  And one has nothing to do with the other, so why even go there in the first place?  Because there&#8217;s a stereotype of romance novelists being a dumb version of Joy from My Name&#8217;s Earl or what?  Who cares?!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just odd.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-2213&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2213&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Leontine&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m all for reaching your potential and aim for the best education you can get but whether or not an author delivers a best selling novel depends on the imagination, writingstyle and so on, not the degree hanging on the wall.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly. A well-written book is what matters. I&#039;m indifferent to an author&#039;s academic background. What concerns me is whether or not she can write. As I know from my own experience in the land of academia, a degree doesn&#039;t mean a person can write coherently. Much depends on the subject they specialized in, and even then, a person can excel at non-fiction writing but not be in the least creative.</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-2213" rel="nofollow">Leontine</a> :</strong></p>
<p>I’m all for reaching your potential and aim for the best education you can get but whether or not an author delivers a best selling novel depends on the imagination, writingstyle and so on, not the degree hanging on the wall.</p>
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<p>Exactly. A well-written book is what matters. I&#8217;m indifferent to an author&#8217;s academic background. What concerns me is whether or not she can write. As I know from my own experience in the land of academia, a degree doesn&#8217;t mean a person can write coherently. Much depends on the subject they specialized in, and even then, a person can excel at non-fiction writing but not be in the least creative.</p>
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		<title>By: Leontine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leontine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It irritates the crap out of me and I seriously wonder WTH they are thinking with this line of interviewing. A woman who has basic education can have a divine imagination with a natural feel for writing and deliver a spectacular novel. Jeez, Nora Roberts a &quot;self-taught&quot; author.(I read this at Katiebabs I think) What does &quot;self taught&quot; mean? Does this mean he/she develops as a writer, as a person, that he/she gains in experience? Heck isn&#039;t that what every author does?

Both authors and readers of the romance genre come from every layer of the society, are based all over the world and diverse in personalities. I&#039;m all for reaching your potential and aim for the best education you can get but whether or not an author delivers a best selling novel depends on the imagination, writingstyle and so on, not the degree hanging on the wall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It irritates the crap out of me and I seriously wonder WTH they are thinking with this line of interviewing. A woman who has basic education can have a divine imagination with a natural feel for writing and deliver a spectacular novel. Jeez, Nora Roberts a &#8220;self-taught&#8221; author.(I read this at Katiebabs I think) What does &#8220;self taught&#8221; mean? Does this mean he/she develops as a writer, as a person, that he/she gains in experience? Heck isn&#8217;t that what every author does?</p>
<p>Both authors and readers of the romance genre come from every layer of the society, are based all over the world and diverse in personalities. I&#8217;m all for reaching your potential and aim for the best education you can get but whether or not an author delivers a best selling novel depends on the imagination, writingstyle and so on, not the degree hanging on the wall.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I didn&#039;t notice the lack of &quot;bodice-ripper&quot;. I&#039;d be willing to bet Eloisa James insisted on this. When she did an op ed for The New York Times a few years ago, they promised her never to use the &quot;bodice-ripper&quot; term again. Later, they went back on their word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I didn&#8217;t notice the lack of &#8220;bodice-ripper&#8221;. I&#8217;d be willing to bet Eloisa James insisted on this. When she did an op ed for The New York Times a few years ago, they promised her never to use the &#8220;bodice-ripper&#8221; term again. Later, they went back on their word.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2184&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Magdalen&lt;/a&gt;: Here&#039;s a link to the Time article on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1891759,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Amish romance books&lt;/a&gt;. (One of the books mentioned debuted at #10 in the NYT paperback bestseller list.)

In terms of authors having academic backgrounds in fields unrelated to literature, I think it&#039;s a marker for craftsmanship. And I do think it&#039;s particularly important when writing an article about romance books for non-romance readers, because it&#039;s likely that the people who read the article have a preconception that romances are formulaic and require very little skill to write.

And finally, did anyone notice that &quot;bodice-ripper&quot; didn&#039;t get a mention? I quite like &quot;frothy fiction&quot; even if it doesn&#039;t really describe the darker romances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-2184" rel="nofollow">@Magdalen</a>: Here&#8217;s a link to the Time article on <a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1891759,00.html" rel="nofollow">Amish romance books</a>. (One of the books mentioned debuted at #10 in the NYT paperback bestseller list.)</p>
<p>In terms of authors having academic backgrounds in fields unrelated to literature, I think it&#8217;s a marker for craftsmanship. And I do think it&#8217;s particularly important when writing an article about romance books for non-romance readers, because it&#8217;s likely that the people who read the article have a preconception that romances are formulaic and require very little skill to write.</p>
<p>And finally, did anyone notice that &#8220;bodice-ripper&#8221; didn&#8217;t get a mention? I quite like &#8220;frothy fiction&#8221; even if it doesn&#8217;t really describe the darker romances.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2184&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Magdalen&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ll keep it short. (For once.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1.  I went to law school because I wasn’t good enough as a romance author back in my 20s and 30s.  Getting into an Ivy League law school was WAY easier than getting published, and I suspect that’s still the case today.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; LOL! 

As for the Amish virgin heroine: this is probably no joke. I can&#039;t give you an author or title, but I can imagine a book like this being published by one of the inspirational romance imprints such as Harlequin&#039;s Steeple Hill.

&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2195&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Edie&lt;/a&gt; I agree with a comment Kat made on Twitter where she pointed out that many crime authors do reference their relevant backgrounds (e.g.: Michael Connelly is a former police reporter). However, a degree in Art History does not automatically qualify one to write good romance novels. I believe Laura Kinsale is - or was - a geologist. I doubt that had much impact on her ability to write excellent historicals.</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-2184" rel="nofollow">Magdalen</a> :</strong></p>
<p>I’ll keep it short. (For once.)</p>
<p>1.  I went to law school because I wasn’t good enough as a romance author back in my 20s and 30s.  Getting into an Ivy League law school was WAY easier than getting published, and I suspect that’s still the case today.</p>
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<p> LOL! </p>
<p>As for the Amish virgin heroine: this is probably no joke. I can&#8217;t give you an author or title, but I can imagine a book like this being published by one of the inspirational romance imprints such as Harlequin&#8217;s Steeple Hill.</p>
<p><a href="#comment-2195" rel="nofollow">@Edie</a> I agree with a comment Kat made on Twitter where she pointed out that many crime authors do reference their relevant backgrounds (e.g.: Michael Connelly is a former police reporter). However, a degree in Art History does not automatically qualify one to write good romance novels. I believe Laura Kinsale is &#8211; or was &#8211; a geologist. I doubt that had much impact on her ability to write excellent historicals.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2176&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@katiebabs&lt;/a&gt; I don&#039;t think other genre writers feel the need to legitimize themselves in quite the same way. There doesn&#039;t seem to be the same level of surprise attached to, say, John Grisham having a law degree. 

&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2177&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Kat&lt;/a&gt; Mentioning academic credentials was the whole purpose of the article, and I don&#039;t have an issue with that. I would have liked some reference to the diverse readership and I find it frustrating that almost all recent articles on romance authors and readers focus primarily on their educational background. Particularly somewhere like the US where university fees are extremely expensive, higher education is a privilege and lack thereof doesn&#039;t necessarily mean a person is not smart. (I didn&#039;t have to pay for my university education, thank goodness. That would not have been pretty!) 

On reflection, I agree with you about the Quinn quote. It&#039;s just unfortunate that the first part reads: &quot;Any regrets? &quot;I&#039;m married to a physician,&quot; says Quinn,&quot; and the rest of the quote appears a couple of lines further down: &quot;I have a way better deal as a romance writer.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-2176" rel="nofollow">@katiebabs</a> I don&#8217;t think other genre writers feel the need to legitimize themselves in quite the same way. There doesn&#8217;t seem to be the same level of surprise attached to, say, John Grisham having a law degree. </p>
<p><a href="#comment-2177" rel="nofollow">@Kat</a> Mentioning academic credentials was the whole purpose of the article, and I don&#8217;t have an issue with that. I would have liked some reference to the diverse readership and I find it frustrating that almost all recent articles on romance authors and readers focus primarily on their educational background. Particularly somewhere like the US where university fees are extremely expensive, higher education is a privilege and lack thereof doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean a person is not smart. (I didn&#8217;t have to pay for my university education, thank goodness. That would not have been pretty!) </p>
<p>On reflection, I agree with you about the Quinn quote. It&#8217;s just unfortunate that the first part reads: &#8220;Any regrets? &#8220;I&#8217;m married to a physician,&#8221; says Quinn,&#8221; and the rest of the quote appears a couple of lines further down: &#8220;I have a way better deal as a romance writer.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Edie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think my big problem with this, is that I don&#039;t really see any other genre fiction getting the same treatment that romance does. No-one seems to feel the need to justify James Pattersons, Sue Grafton&#039;s books and their writing etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think my big problem with this, is that I don&#8217;t really see any other genre fiction getting the same treatment that romance does. No-one seems to feel the need to justify James Pattersons, Sue Grafton&#8217;s books and their writing etc.</p>
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